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Lloyd White
Head of Democratic Services
London Borough of Hillingdon,
Phase II, Civic Centre, High Street, Uxbridge, UB8 1UW
Putting our residents first
Petition Hearing -
Cabinet Member for
Property, Highways
& Transport
Cabinet Member hearing the petition(s):
Councillor Jonathan Bianco, Deputy
Leader of the Council & Cabinet Member
for Property, Highways & Transport
How the hearing works:
The petition organiser (or his/her nominee)
can address the Cabinet Member for a
short time and in turn the Cabinet Member
may also ask questions.
Local ward councillors are invited to these
hearings and may also be in attendance.
After hearing all the views expressed, the
Cabinet Member will make a formal
decision. This decision will be published
and sent to the petition organisers shortly
after the meeting confirming the action to
be taken by the Council.
Published: Tuesday 03 September 2024
Contact: Ryan Dell
Email: petitions@hillingdon.gov.uk
Date: WEDNESDAY, 11
SEPTEMBER 2024
Time: 7.00 PM (see agenda for
specific petition start times)
Venue: COMMITTEE ROOM 5 -
CIVIC CENTRE
Meeting
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Agenda
1 Declarations of Interest in matters coming before this meeting
2 To confirm that the business of the meeting will take place in public
3 To consider the report of the officers on the following petitions received:
Start
Time
Title of Report Ward Page
4
7:00 pm
ePetition Requesting Zebra Crossing
between Ladygate Lane and Marlborough
Avenue
Ruislip 1 - 10
5
7:10 pm
Request for Traffic Calming Measures in
Grosvenor Avenue, Hayes
Charville 11 - 16
6 7:20 pm
Request for Traffic Calming Measures on
Chiltern View Road, Uxbridge
Uxbridge 17 - 22
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Minutes
PETITION HEARING - CABINET MEMBER FOR
PROPERTY, HIGHWAYS & TRANSPORT
11 September 2024
Meeting held at Committee Room 5 - Civic Centre
Committee Members Present:
Councillor Jonathan Bianco
Ward Councillors Present:
Councillor John Riley (present for item 4)
Councillor Darran Davies (present for item 5)
Councillor Barry Nelson-West (present for item 5)
Officers Present:
David Knowles, Head of Transport and Town Centre Projects
Ryan Dell, Democratic Services Officer
26. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST IN MATTERS COMING BEFORE THIS MEETING
(Agenda Item 1)
None.
27. TO CONFIRM THAT THE BUSINESS OF THE MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE IN
PUBLIC (Agenda Item 2)
It was confirmed that all items of business would be considered in public.
28. TO CONSIDER THE REPORT OF THE OFFICERS ON THE FOLLOWING
PETITIONS RECEIVED: (Agenda Item 3)
29. EPETITION REQUESTING ZEBRA CROSSING BETWEEN LADYGATE LANE AND
MARLBOROUGH AVENUE (Agenda Item 4)
The lead petitioner addressed the Cabinet Member and made the following points:
The petitioner thanked Councillor Riley for attending
The petitioner claimed that she was representing 320+ children aged from 7 to
11 years old
The petitioner asked rhetorically “while the officer was writing his report, did he
have the opportunity to stand in Ladygate Lane to witn ess first-hand what drop-
off and pick-up was like for the children going to school?”
Councillor Corthorne had met with the petitioner on many inst ances and
therefore had a good understanding of petitioners’ concerns regarding the safety
of children crossing this very busy road
The safety of children crossing was particularly prevalent at pick -up time when
most children came out of school all at once at around 3:30pm
At drop-off there was a wider window in terms of time frame to get to school
It was at pi ck-up that there is an extremely high density of children crossing the
road to get home all at once
Parents and/ or carers parked on double yellow lines and in some instances
double parked, blocking the road. They also parked on kerbs, blocking residents’
driveways
On paragraph 3 of the officer’s report, a safe place to cross would also be
beneficial for patients visiting the doctor's surgery, many of whom were elderly
On paragraph 5, if the zebra crossing, which was located directly opposite the
Infant’s school main entrance, had been built halfway between the two schools,
so that children from both schools could benefit from a safe crossing in the road,
this hearing may not have been necessary. It would have been a cost -effective
and fairer way of providing the children of both schools with a safe way to get to
school. From personal experience, it was not a practical solution for the children
from Whiteheath Junior School to walk all the way to the entrance of the Infant
school to cross the road and then have to make their way all the way back to
their school. During the school run, every minute counted. Walking 250m to the
pedestrian crossing and then all the way back again, especially with the younger
children attending the Junior school, was not conveni ent and would add 7 -10
minutes to the school run in the mornings, depending on the age of the children.
Driving around the borough, including Ruislip, Uxbridge, Ickenham and Pinner,
among others, Whiteheath Junior School was one of only a couple, if not t he
only school without a zebra crossing close to the school.
One paragraph 6, the safety concerns in this petition were not with the school’s
separate dedicated entrance, Whiteheath Avenue, but having to cross one of the
main arteries into school, Ladygate Lane, to get to the separate entrance, where
there were currently little or no safety measures for children crossing this busy
road. It was wonderful to hear of all the great road safety initiatives, but again,
these were predominantly concentrated in Whi teheath Avenue. With regards to
the voluntary ‘one -way’ system, a good initiative, and although parents and/ or
carers were encouraged to agree to this one-way system, it cannot be enforced,
and if something cannot be enforced, it is not fool proof. Unfortunately, members
of the public who drive up and down this road were not aware of the voluntary
‘one-way’ system so there will always be vehicles driving in the opposite
direction during the school run. The area of concern for the petitioners was not
Whiteheath Avenue – where the school’s entrance was located – it was crossing
one the busy main arteries to get to school.
Councillor John Riley addre ssed the Cabinet Member as Ward Councillor for Ruislip,
and made the following points:
As Cabinet Member some time ago dealing with these sorts of petitions and
dealing with the issues in Ladygate Lane and the two schools, a 20mph speed
limit was introduced, which was regularly ignored
Councillor Riley was often asked to go and watch what was happening
It was dif ficult to park and drop off children at both schools, which also meant
that it was dangerous for children to cross at any stage. People often had to take
their life in their hands when taking children especially to the Junior School,
which did not have any sort of safety crossing at that point
The request for some sort of safety crossing further up may sound in
geographical terms as if it was not very much, but it would make a big difference
because there were a lot of other children trying to get to school
The reason for the request between the schools and Marlborough Avenue was
that this tended to be the area where cars were building up speed, even though
they came to the 20mph zone
There had been a lot of work in Ladygate Lane such as lorry restrictions, and
speed limit, but because there were two schools it was amazingly busy
What was being asked for was as safe a crossing as possible for children and
for adults bringing their children to school
There had been so many near misses and it was very dangerous
Having a formalised crossing would be very welcome and was something that all
three Ward Councillors supported
Councillor Riley read out a sub mission from Councillor Philip Corthorne as Ward
Councillor:
Councillor Corthorne was unable to be present to speak on the item owing to
Deputy Mayor duties, and was grateful to Councillor Riley for doing so
Councillor Corthorne had met the petitioner on the site some months ago to
discuss their concerns and those of other parents regarding the hazards of
crossing Ladygate Lane with children on school days heading from the general
direction of Bury Street
The extensive works which had been carried out in r ecent years elsewhere in
Ladygate Lane were acknowledged, but there was no doubt that the concerns
raised were valid
Noting the third officer recommendation, it was hoped that engagement with
petitioners could continue in terms of what might be possible to alleviate their
concerns
Officers noted that there were always challenges around schools. It was an emotive
subject for both the school community and nearby residents. It was noted that none of
the petition signatories lived in Ladygate Lane. Whenever th ere was a proposal, it
would require the support of those who lived nearby. The existing crossing was
installed 10-15 years ago. At that time there were issues around crossing the road for
the Infant School and issues for the Junior School were not of the extent that they were
now. A lot of work had been done around Whiteheath Avenue: there was a camera -
enforced keep clear area; and a voluntary one -way system. The Junior school worked
closely with officers and were commended for this, and the school had presented to the
Cabinet Member previously. It was noted that there was some atrocious behaviour by a
small minority such as parking across driveways and doing U -turns in the middle of the
junction. Further work would be undertaken with petitioners, residents, Ward
Councillors, and the schools. There were a number of actions that could be explored
such as extending the existing 20mph zone. This would require a formal consultation. If
a zebra crossing were to be implemented it was noted that people often did no t use
them depending on their specific location. One location, between the junctions of
Marlborough Avenue an d Whiteheath Avenue, might on the face of it seem to be an
ideal location, as there was an existing raised table here, but there was a private
driveway which presented a significant challenge in terms of locations. This would
similarly prove to be a challe nge wherever in this section of Ladygate Lane a formal
zebra crossing might be considered. Officers also picked up on the petitioner’s
comment earlier in the meeting, to the effect that “during the school run, every minute
counted” and made the point that parents and guardians in their cars being impatient
and inconsiderate was, sadly, a part of the problem.
The Cabinet Member noted that he had mixed views on zebra crossings. The state of
parking during school drop -off and pick -up times was disappointing a nd it was
suggested that parking enforcement could visit the area. The provision of parking
tickets may encourage people to behave more responsibly. There were concerns that if
a zebra crossing was introduced, people may just park on the zigzag lines as ha d been
witnessed in other locations. There was a wider concern that unless the zebra crossing
was located in the right place, people may just continue to cross the road where they
want to, which may render the crossing as not cost effective. It was noted t hat the cost
of zebra crossings was not insignificant and the money generally came from TfL. It was
noted that Ladygate Lane was used as a cut thro ugh. Speeding was a police matter,
not a Council matter, and the existing speed table was noted. Whiteheath J unior
School has been very proactive in getting its children and parents to behave
responsibly when it came to picking up and dropping off. The Council had given the
school a grant towards a cycle to school campaign, and cycle officers supported the
school on a regular basis. The school had also taken part in the Living Streets’ Walk to
School challenge. It was noted that often people were keen on a zebra crossing until it
was suggested to be outside of their house. From police statistics there had not been
any serious accidents. Residents were encouraged to speak to their local policing team
who may be able to obtain a speed gun to use.
RESOLVED: That the Cabinet Member for Property, Highways and Transport:
1) Met with petitioners and listened to their requ est for a Zebra Crossing on
Ladygate Lane close to Marlborough Avenue;
2) Noted the excellent work being undertaken by the Council’s dedicated
‘School Travel and Road Safety Team’ (STARS) with the two Whiteheath
schools and to promote this highly beneficial partnership;
3) Asked officers to undertake further detailed investigations on a possible
Zebra Crossing or other appropriate measures on Ladygate Lane; and
4) Asked officers to investigate parking enforcement in the area
30. REQUEST FOR TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES IN GROSVENOR AVENUE,
HAYES (Agenda Item 5)
The lead petitioner addressed the Cabinet Member and made the following points:
Residents were increasingly concerned about the speed of vehicles traveling
down Grosvenor Avenue
People seeme d to be using the road as a shortcut from Kingshill Avenue to
Lansbury Drive, avoiding the traffic lights at Lansbury Drive
There had been a few incidents recently:
o When someone was fixing a telegraph pole, a speeding van caught a
wire which pulled him down and resulted in a dislocated shoulder
o A dog walker was crossin g the road and a speeding car caught the lead,
dragging the dog up the road and causing £8,000 of vet bills
o At the junction of Weymouth Road and Grosvenor Avenue, amongst a
number of incident s a neighbour had his car written off because a car
pulled out of Weymouth Road without looking and caused a collision
o The entrance to Grosvenor playing fields was at that junction, where
young people were dropped off and there were dog walkers, allotment s
and the entrance to the Hillingdon trail
The worst times of day were 06:00-09:00, 15:00-19:00 and late in the evening
when boy racers sped down the road
It was not only residents who parked in the road, but also parents who were
going to Grosvenor playing fields
Residents would prefer to have parking restrictions rather than speed tables to
slow traffic down when traveling up the road from Kingshill Avenue before the
junction of Weymouth Road
At the bottom of the road, although there were double yellow lines people cannot
see around the corner and people tended to spee d which had led to a
neighbour’s car being shunted into a garden
The petitioner sat on the Metropolitan Police Ward Panel and this had been
discussed with one of the PCs who had now completed a course with a speed
gun
The petition signatories were from different sections of the road and included
young families
The Cabinet Member asked and the petitioner clarified that when they referred to
restrictions, they were talking about width restrictions.
Councillor Darran Davies addressed the Cabinet Member as Ward Councillor:
The petitioner had the full support of the local community, and the Safer
Neighbourhood Team had already carried out several speed operations on the
road, underscoring the seriousness of the issue
Grosvenor Avenue had experienced a number of accidents, particularly at the
lower end, on the bend where several cars had crashed through resident’s
windows
The alarming pattern coupled with the recent incident where a telecom engineer
was injured highlighted the ongoing danger that speeding vehicle s posed to
residents and those working in the area
Meaningful action was required
The road was also used as a main travel route for SEN transport towards
Hedgewood School, and therefore the s afety of vulnerable passengers was at
risk
Given the specific challenges of the road, traditional speed tables may not be
suitable due to concerns about vibration and noise. Therefore, it was proposed
that chicanes be installed which would slow traffic
Width restrictions at the junction of Grosvenor Avenue and Weymouth Road
may reduce the number of large vehicles and cars using the road as a cut
through from Kingshill Avenue, avoiding the traffic lights
Installing traffic monitoring cables not only down Gro svenor Avenue but also on
Weymouth Road would note the volume of cars that were travelling at speed
With the support of the Safer Neighbourhood Team there had been some traffic
measures including high visibility police which had had a good impact
There wer e concerns as this was a very busy road and there were a large
number of cars parked on both sides causing blind spots
Officers commended the work already done by residents, working with local police. The
evidence they provided was valuable. There was a p ossibility of yellow lines on the
bend in the road for improved visibility. It could be possible to build out the junction at
Weymouth Road to discourage parking on the corner and also improve visibility. The
point about speed tables was noted; traditional chicane arrangements might prove
challenging.
Councillor Barry Nelson-West attended the meeting and noted his support for the
petitioner.
The Cabinet Member asked and it was clarified that Grosvenor Avenue was used as a
rat run from the Brook House Rugb y Club, taking an immediate right onto Grosvenor
Avenue, and then either left at Weymouth Road or straight down Grosvenor Avenue.
This happened in both directions. It was further noted that bollards had been installed
in front of people’s property on Langdale Drive.
The Cabinet Member noted that width restrictions coul d impact on delivery drivers and
SEN transport. However, it was highlighted that there were alternative routes that the
SEN transport could take such as through Kingshill Avenue and Adelphi Way.
RESOLVED: That the Cabinet Member for Property, Highways and Transport:
1) Met with petitioners and listened to their request for measures to slow
down traffic in Grosvenor Avenue, Hayes; and
2) Asked officers to commission independent 24/7 speed and traf fic surveys
on Grosvenor Avenue and Weymouth Road at locations ag reed with
petitioners and Ward Councillors.
31. REQUEST FOR TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES ON CHILTERN VIEW ROAD,
UXBRIDGE (Agenda Item 6)
The lead petitioner addressed the Cabinet Member and made the following points:
Part way up the road was a width restriction and part of the road was one-way
People used the traffic lights as a game of chicken or a starting point for a race
up Chiltern View Road. They drove across from Cowley M ill Road, across the
traffic lights and up Chiltern View Road at speed
The petitioner had witnessed a vehicle speeding down the road this evening
Speeding happened on a regular basis
The one-way section was often ignored despite the signposting
Whitehall Infant and Junior Schools and Uxbridge High School were nearby and
one child had been hurt on Cowley Road a number of years ago
All of the parking was down one side of Chiltern View Road which allowed
enough room for speeding
A chicane may solve some of the issues
Officers noted the one -way section and that police had commented on the signage.
One of the recommendations was to do surveys which can log speed, direction of
travel, time of day, and type of vehicle. This would establish the extent to which, as the
petitioner had suggested, some drivers deliberately ignore the one -way restrictions. It
was possible to amend the parking arrangements but this would need to be consulted
on.
The Cabinet Member asked when the section of the road was made to be one -way and
what the reason for this was. Officers noted that the section of the road had been one -
way for a long time and was to deal with rat running. Making the whole road one -way
would have implications for deliveries a nd would need residents’ agreement. One -way
streets also often had unintended consequences such as speeding.
Speed surveys would provide evidence of the speeding. Altering the parking provision
could slow down traffic.
It was noted that there was an existing parking management scheme.
RESOLVED: That the Cabinet Member for Property, Highways and Transport:
1) Met with petitioners and listened to their request for “Traffic Calming
Measures on Chiltern View Road” Uxbridge; and
2) Asked officers to commission i ndependent 24/7 speed and traffic survey s
on Chiltern View Road at locations agreed with petitioners and Ward
Councillors.
The meeting, which commenced at 7.00 pm, closed at 7.50 pm.
These are the minutes of the above meeting. For more information on any of the
resolutions please contact at democratic@hillingdon.gov.uk . Circulation of these
minutes is to Councillors, Officers, the Press and Members of the Public.
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