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Minutes
COUNCIL
1 July 2010
Meeting held at Council Chamber - Civic Centre, High
Street, Uxbridge UB8 1UW
Councillor David Yarrow (Mayor)
Councillor Mary O'Connor (Deputy Mayor)
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Councillors: David Allam
Lynne Allen
Tim Barker
Richard Barnes
Josephine Barrett
David Benson
Jonathan Bianco
Sukhpa Brar
Wayne Bridges
Mike Bull
Keith Burrows
George Cooper
Judith Cooper
Philip Corthorne
Brian Crowe
Peter Curling
Catherine Dann
Jazz Dhillon
Beulah East
Neil Fyfe
Sid Garg
Roshan Ghei
Dominic Gilham
Raymond Graham
Paul Harmsworth
Shirley Harper-O'Neill
John Hensley
Patricia Jackson
Phoday Jarjussey
Sandra Jenkins
Alan Kauffman
Peter Kemp
Mo Khursheed
Kuldeep Lakhmana
Richard Lewis
Anita MacDonald
John Major
Michael Markham
Carol Melvin
Douglas Mills
Richard Mills
John Morgan
Susan O'Brien
David Payne
Ray Puddifoot
Andrew Retter
John Riley
David Routledge
Robin Sansarpuri
Scott Seaman-Digby
David Simmonds
Brian Stead
Michael White
OFICERS PRESENT: Hugh Dunnachie, Fran Beasley, Christopher Neale, Chris
Spencer, Jean Palmer, Brian Doughty, Raj Alagh, Lloyd White, Mark Braddock,
Morgan Einon and Nikki Stubbs
PRAYERS
Prayers were said by Reverend Andrew Sheard.
16. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE (Agenda Item 1)
Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Ba ker, Bliss, Buttivant,
Duncan, Gardner, Higgins, Kelly, Lavery, Nelson and Sandhu.
17. MINUTES (Agenda Item 2)
RESOLVED: That the minutes of the meetings held on 25 February 2010 and 13
May 2010 be agreed as correct records.
18. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST (Agenda Item 3)
A briefing note regarding Declarations of Interest ha d been circulated to all Members.
Public Document Pack
19. MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS (Agenda Item 4)
It was with sadness that the Mayor informed Members of the recent death of Mr
Norman Dann who had acted as Councillor Dann’s escort whe n she was Mayor of
Hillingdon in 2001/2002 and 2007/2008. All present stood for a minute’s silence in his
memory.
The Council was advised that, in the six weeks that Counci llor Yarrow had been
Mayor, he had attended 82 events. 73 of these events were within the Borough with
the remaining 9 being outside of Hillingdon.
The Mayor announced that the launch of his charities (H illingdon Autistic Care and
Support and Hillingdon Food Bank) would take place in Committee Room 6 at 7.30pm
on Monday 19 July 2010. All Councillors were welcome to attend.
20. PUBLIC QUESTION TIME (Agenda Item 5)
5.1 QUESTION FROM TONY ELLIS TO THE CABINET MEMBE R FOR
IMPROVEMENT, PARTNERSHIPS AND COMMUNITY SAFETY – CO UNCILLOR D
MILLS
“In view of the London Borough of Harrow's successful im plementation of a Local
Panel under the provisions of the Sustainable Communities Act, when does Hillingdon
intend to fulfil its obligations of implementing the Act and form a Local Panel?”
Councillor D Mills responded that the Council was well a ware of the provisions of the
Sustainable Communities Act and had considered the matte r in response to a public
question at the Council meeting on 3 July 2009. In Ma rch 2009, Cabinet agreed that
Council should be asked to resolve to use the Sustainabl e Communities Act 2007
when there were proposals for a revised pattern of pub lic spending in Hillingdon with
demonstrable benefits to local residents or businesses, o r which would assist with
implementation of the Council Plan or the Sustainable Community Strategy.
Hillingdon remained ready to use the Sustainable Comm unities Act’s provisions once
proposals, which would benefit Hillingdon residents, had been identified.
Councillor D Mills stressed that there was no process for ‘si gning up’ to the Act, as
such, and that ‘opting in’ to the Act meant submitting such a proposal. It did not offer
a way of obtaining funding for specific projects. Nor d id it provide a guarantee that
any proposal would be taken forward.
The previous Government had invited proposals for diff erent ways of allocating
existing central, local or other public expenditure in ways which would help deliver
local priorities. The process of selecting proposals for con sideration by the
Government was co-ordinated by the Local Government Ass ociation. Shortly before
the General Election, the former Communities Minister gave a partial response to 17
out of the 199 proposals submitted. However, the resp onse stopped short of
implementing any of the proposals that had been submi tted using the Act's
procedures. Councillor D Mills suggested that the recent announcement by the new
Government to prevent ‘garden-grabbing’ was a cause taken up using the Sustainable
Communities Act, which had long been Conservative policy.
The Council did not propose to spend money setting up any new consultative panels.
Instead the Council would continue its already successful e ngagement with local
residents and communities, primarily through its incredib ly successful Street
Champions and Streets Ahead initiatives. These had the advantage of involving the
views of a wider number of residents than just those acti ve in any local group. Work
was now underway with Council officers, residents and pa rtners to strengthen the
work of the Street Champions and Streets Ahead initia tives and to look at the linkage
with the Chrysalis fund and the Safer Neighbourhoods Street Panels.
Moreover, this approach was in line with the consultati on procedure laid down in the
Sustainable Communities Act, which allowed councils to bui ld on existing
engagement mechanisms rather than establishing new ones.
The Council continued to welcome any suggestions or propo sals for consideration
which might be implemented under the terms of the Act or in other ways for the
benefit of local residents and communities.
5.2 QUESTION FROM STEVE PINK ON BEHALF OF NORTHWOOD HILLS
RESIDENTS SUPPORT TEAM (RST) ON PARKING, TO THE CAB INET MEMBER
FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“I attended the Council meeting in July 2008 at which the petition from 465 residents
of Northwood Hills was presented asking for parking contro ls to deter all-day
commuter parking. At that meeting, I made the point t hat Tolcarne Drive should be a
special case for consideration in view of particular safety considerations caused by
the combination of the Harlyn junior school and the Dr iving Test Centre both situated
here.
Following that meeting and consideration of the petit ion, Council agreed to consult
and a consultation exercise was carried out eventually 7 months later, in February
2009. It covered the roads around Northwood Hills stati on with a consultation of
residents and a separate but simultaneous consultation of the shopkeepers in Joel St
in respect of a “Stop & Shop” parking control scheme.
The shopkeepers gave a majority in favour of parking m anagement, for primarily
commercial reasons obviously as they believe commuter par king deters potential
customers who want to park to come in to their shops. So t he ‘Stop & Shop’ parking
management scheme has been approved by Council as a pri ority for Northwood Hills
and is now to be implemented. In that same consultation exercise, however, Tolcarne
Drive residents also gave a majority in favour of parki ng management AND have
followed that up with a formal request for parking ma nagement, primarily for road
safety (not commercial) considerations, yet this request (se nt in August 2009 and
followed up in February 2010) has not had any response from the Council or from any
of our local Ward Councillors who we would hope would support any such remedial
action.
We are aware that individual roads have been, and ar e being, given parking
management schemes all across the Borough. Tolcarne Drive clearly has safety
issues different from other roads in this area because of the combination of the junior
school AND the driving test centre.
We would hope that the Council can take action for thi s road and will at least respond
to the major concerns raised by residents?”
In the absence of the questioner, the Mayor put the q uestion on his behalf and
Councillor Burrows advised that a written response would be provided.
5.3 QUESTION FROM JOHN STONE OF TOLCARNE DRIVE TO T HE CABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“As a very long-term resident of Northwood Hills, havi ng lived here for 40 years, I
have written many times to the Council over the years asking for some action to stop
commuter parking along our road Tolcarne Drive. Nothin g has been done yet but I
hope there will be some action following our residents group’s campaign.
On many occasions, these regular commuters park in a way th at goes over my
dropped kerb and stops me getting my car easily out of my drive. Your traffic wardens
do a good job when I phone them and they come and pu t tickets on the cars. But
those cars are parked all day for the station, so it doe sn’t help me getting in and out
my drive during the day as the drivers don’t come ba ck till early evening to go home. I
know this affects other houses near me and that other p eople also have to contact
your traffic wardens to get cars ticketed. Can you please take a look and let me know
how many tickets are issued here each year compared with previous years?
In the past two years I have noticed a big increase in the cars parking here every day
and it now goes all the way up and beyond the junction with Harlyn Drive. That makes
things more dangerous for all of us but especially for t he people going to and from
Harlyn School. We see and hear many near-misses as cars and motorbikes swerve to
get round each other when there is almost no room to p ass, so we hope the Council
appreciates the real safety concerns going on here.
I hope the Council is going to recognise what the reside nts are asking for and put
something in here that will make a difference and impr ove safety. I was pleased that
the Council did eventually do a consultation in 2009 a nd we know that in this road
there was a majority vote wanting some parking management scheme.”
In the absence of the questioner, the Mayor put the q uestion on his behalf and
Councillor Burrows advised that a written response would be provided.
21. REPORT OF THE HEAD OF DEMOCRATIC SERVICES (Agenda Item 6)
(i) ESTABLISHMENT OF A PENSIONS COMMITTEE, INVEST MENT STRATEGY
SUB-COMMITTEE
Councillor G Cooper moved the recommendation as set out on the Order of Business.
This was seconded by Councillor Corthorne. Following d ebate (Councillor
Harmsworth), the motion was put to the vote and agreed.
RESOLVED: That a Pensions Committee, Investment Str ategy Sub-Committee
be established with the Membership, Terms of Refere nce and delegated
authority as set out in Appendix A of the report.
(ii) MEMBERSHIP OF COMMITTEES 2010/11
Councillor G Cooper moved the recommendation as set out on the Order of Business.
This was seconded by Councillor Markham. On being put to the vote, the motion was
agreed.
RESOLVED: That:
a. subject to the approval of i) above, three Membe rs be appointed to the
Investment Strategy Sub-Committee (2 Conservative a nd one Labour –
Councillors Corthorne, Markham and Harmsworth) and that the sub-
committee be asked to appoint the Chairman and Vice Chairman;
b. Councillor Gardner be appointed as Vice Chairman of the Hillingdon
Domestic Violence Action Forum; and
c. Councillor Curling be appointed as the Labour Gr oup substitute for the
Audit Committee, replacing Councillor Harmsworth.
(iii) APPOINTMENT OF CHAMPIONS 2010/11
In accordance with Part 2, Article 4 of the Constitutio n the Council may, upon the
recommendation of the Leader, appoint Champions for b etter representation of
particular groups or issues both within the Council and community and agree their
terms of reference.
Councillor Puddifoot moved the recommendation as set o ut on the Order of Business.
This was seconded by Councillor Simmonds. Following deba te (Councillor Major),
the motion was put to the vote and agreed.
RESOLVED: That:
a. Councillor Major be re-appointed as Champion for Carers;
b. Councillor Kemp be re-appointed as Champion for Disabled People &
Equalities; and
c. Councillor Routledge be re-appointed as Champion for Heritage and Built
Environment.
22. MEMBERS' QUESTIONS (Agenda Item 7)
7.1 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR O’BRIEN TO THE CAB INET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“Following the recent announcements made by our new G overnment regarding
garden grabbing can the Cabinet Member advise what do es this mean in practice for
us as a planning authority?”
Councillor Burrows responded that, on 9 June 2010, the Government published a
revised planning policy statement (Planning Policy Sta tement 3: Housing (PPS3)
which introduced two key changes:
1. It amended the definition of previously developed land to exclude private
residential gardens. This meant that garden land no l onger had an automatic
presumption for development or redevelopment and coun cils could therefore
refuse inappropriate development on private residential gardens; and
2. It deleted the reference to the national indicativ e minimum density of 30
dwellings per hectare. This meant that, whilst there remained a commitment to
"efficient" use of land, there was more flexibility on what density was
considered appropriate within the local area. Greater priority could therefore
be given to matters such as maintaining and improving the character of the
local area.
Together, these changes meant that Hillingdon should be able to receive support from
the Planning Inspectorate at appeal following any de cision to refuse planning
permission for applications which it considered unacceptabl e because it would result
in overdevelopment and/or harm the character of the local area. This new policy had
been implemented immediately because the Planning In spectorate issued new
practice guidance on 9 June 2010 to Planning Inspectors w ho were administering
planning appeals that were currently underway.
This new policy guidance could also be taken into account by the Council in preparing
its development plans. The Council’s draft Core Strat egy, which was now out for
public consultation until the end of July, included a po licy (Policy BE1) which had a
presumption against development of gardens where this w ould erode the character
and biodiversity of suburban areas. The Council was lo oking to expand on this policy
within the draft Development Management DPD, which was in preparation.
There was no supplementary question.
7.2 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR CURLING TO THE LEADER OF
THE COUNCIL – COUNCILLOR PUDDIFOOT
“Now that the election is over and we have a Liberal Democrat, Conservative
Coalition Government, can the Leader of the Council p lease update us with the
current position of Hillingdon’s Building Schools for the 21st century programme?”
Councillor Puddifoot advised that Councillor Simmonds h ad met with the Civil Servant
in charge of the overall national Building Schools for the Future (BSF) programme on
19 April 2010 and was advised that the then Labour Government had planned a cut of
£18bn in the overall funding, from £40bn to £22bn. This would have affected both
primary and secondary schools, whose capital allocations wer e being concentrated
with Partnerships for Schools (PfS). Hillingdon's share of funding was, according to
PfS, based on assumptions about the next Comprehensive S pending Review which
had not yet been undertaken and was contained within a notional base budget line in
the Treasury - none of which was in any way guarantee d until the CSR was
completed. The bureaucratic process demanded by the for mer Labour government
imposed huge costs for consultants long before a single brick was laid. This
information reinforced the Council’s view that it woul d be wise to await confirmation
that the money existed before committing much more mon ey to the process and
therefore the £¾m proposed for consultants’ fees over a six month period was not
deemed cost effective when the scheme might not have survived the general election.
However, in March 2010, the Council had carried forwa rd £746k to be used in the
event that the scheme did survive.
On 15 June 2010, Nick Gibb MP had stated that BSF was a flagship of the Labour
Government and that many schools needed to be rebuilt or improved to meets the
needs of an increasing population. However, Mr Gibb b elieved that the BSF process
had been wasteful. In the seven years since the program me had been announced,
fewer than 75 schools had been built. It was anticipate d that more information would
be forthcoming over the next few months but it was be lieved that the BSF scheme
was now defunct and would therefore save the Council a significant amount of money.
Councillor Curling, by way of a supplementary questio n, asked whether the Leader
regretted that the BSF deal had not been signed befo re the election given the urgent
need to expand primary schools (and secondary schools later ). Councillor Puddifoot
stated that it was not something he regretted as there had been no guarantee of any
funding being available. He advised that the need t o expand and improve schools
needed to be addressed but that the Council would add ress the matter in a more
efficient manner.
7.5 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR EAST TO THE CABINET
MEMBER FOR CULTURE, SPORT AND LEISURE – TO BE ANSWE RED BY
COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR HIGGINS
“Could the Cabinet Member for Culture, Sport and Le isure please inform us as to how
residents without cars and/or with buggies and wheelchai rs, are going to make the
journey to Hayes or Uxbridge Leisure Centres, now that Yiewsley pool is to be
closed?”
Councillor Simmonds noted that the two brand new mode rn facilities at Uxbridge and
Botwell would benefit and improve accessibility of spor t and leisure facilities for the
vast majority of Hillingdon's residents, particularly a s they were both well located in
terms of access to public transport. He appreciated the co ncerns of those residents
who lived within walking distance of the Yiewsley Pool as they would have to travel by
car or public transport to Hayes or Uxbridge once the Po ol closed. For those who did
not have access to a car, there were low floor bus services available (i.e., the U1 to
Uxbridge Leisure Centre and the U5 and 350 to Hayes). Officers were liaising with
Transport for London to see whether any improvements to these bus services could
be justified to make access easier for Yiewsley residents.
The Hillingdon Sport and Leisure Centre was a brand n ew facility which did
not replace any existing Pool. It therefore provided a range of sport and leisure uses
to residents in the Uxbridge/Hillingdon area who prev iously would have had to travel
to Hayes or Highgrove Pool to enjoy access to swimming fa cilities. In addition, this
new facility had far more accessible parking for the over 65's and disabled customers.
The new facility at Botwell included a range of other community facilities apart from
the Pool and would be more attractive to most resident s, including families. These
facilities included a library, sports hall, health and f itness areas, specialist gymnastic
facility and an artificial pitch.
In comparison with the Yiewsley pool, both the new fa cilities were DDA compliant and
included many features that would make access easier to th e buildings, such as
electric doors, low level access, ramps, hoists, push plates and modern changing
rooms, lockers and reception areas.
Councillor East, by way of a supplementary question, aske d why the Local
Development Framework consultation CL1 document had sta ted that the Council
would locate new leisure facilities in town centres. Councillor Simmonds believed that
this was what the Council had achieved.
7.6 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR HARMSWORTH T O THE
CABINET MEMBER FOR CULTURE, SPORT AND LEISURE – TO BE ANSWERED
BY COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR HIGGINS
“Could the Cabinet Member for Culture, Sport and Le isure let me know whether the
existing level of access will be given to the local school s at either Uxbridge and/or
Botwell Green Leisure Centres as was available at Yiews ley Pool and will the Council
subsidise the schools transport costs?”
Councillor Simmonds responded that the Council had alr eady worked with three
Primary schools – two of whom had now moved from Yiewsl ey Pool and were
enjoying using the new swimming pool at Hillingdon S port and Leisure Complex. The
third school would commence its new term’s programme in September.
The Council was currently in contact with the two remain ing Primary schools using
Yiewsley Pool to provide time at either Botwell Gree n Sports and Leisure Centre or
Hillingdon Sports and Leisure Complex depending on which they preferred.
By way of a supplementary question, Councillor Harmsworth asked for more details of
whether the Council would subsidise the school transport costs. Councillor
Simmonds advised that individual schools would need to m ake their case to the
Schools Forum which would then make a decision as to whe ther to provide funding
for this purpose. It was noted that this was not an issue that fell within the remit of the
Council.
7.8 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR DHILLON TO THE CABINET
MEMBER FOR EDUCATION AND CHILDRENS’ SERVICES – COUN CILLOR
SIMMONDS
“Can the Cabinet Member for Education and Children’s services inform us as to when
the Head Teachers, Chairs of Governors and other stakeho lders were informed about
the planned massive increase in school places, planned for 2012/13?”
Councillor Dhillon, when asked for clarification, advise d that the “other stakeholders”
he referred to in his question related to parents. Councillor Simmonds responded that
the principal reason for the forecast increase in demand for places in 2012/13 was the
very high number of births in 2008 (11.5% above forecast). Initial information became
available in June 2009 but the geographical distributi on of births was only received in
October 2009.
A briefing on future primary place needs was given to the Primary Forum Executive by
the Council’s Director of Education and Children’s Serv ices in December 2009. This
set out the total forecast need (19 forms of entry) and the need for school expansions
and new provision. In the same month, information on the forecast need for additional
primary school places was included in the annual Schools F unding Consultation
document. The target audience for this consultation incl uded a wide range of
stakeholders, including head teachers, governing bodies, teachers’ professional
associations, early years providers and the Schools Forum.
In February 2010, a letter was sent to all head teach ers and chairmen of governing
bodies outlining the number of forms of entry that would be required and the proposed
approach to meeting this need. Discussions with the local diocesan boards had also
taken place. In addition, school place needs had been di scussed by the Admissions
Forum (which included stakeholder representatives). Most recently (21 June 2010),
primary school place needs were discussed with head teachers at the Director’s
termly briefing.
In relation to specific proposals, over the spring term 2010, officers met with the
governing bodies of individual schools proposed for inclu sion in the first phase of
expansions.
Councillor Dhillon, by way of a supplementary questio n, asked whether the Council
had published information before or after an article had been published in the
Gazette. Councillor Simmonds advised that he was unawa re of the date of the
Gazette article referred to but had set out the timescales within his response.
7.4 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR JARJUSSEY TO T HE CABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“The report on the Planning application for Phase 3 o f the Stockley Park development
was pulled from the agenda for the Central and South Planning Committee on 30
March 2010 following receipt of a letter from the Mem ber of Parliament for Hayes and
Harlington and the Friends of Lake Farm asking about t he whereabouts of £1M that
was supposed to have been used for local environmental i mprovements under
agreements for earlier phases of the scheme. Can the Cabinet Member say when the
report will be re-submitted to the Committee?”
Councillor Burrows responded that he was surprised to rece ive this question as the
determination of planning applications was not a Cabin et function, but dealt with
through the Area Planning Committee's. The question concerned a live planning
application and, as such, Councillor Burrows could not fet ter officers or the
Committee's determination by commenting on the detail in the question. However,
Councillor Burrows had spoken to the Chairman of the C entral and South Planning
Committee who had informed him that the report woul d be considered by the
Committee on 13 July 2010.
Councillor Jarjussey started to ask a supplementary questio n which concerned details
of the planning application and the Mayor ruled that , for the reasons outlined by
Councillor Burrows, this was not a valid question as the planning application was still
live.
7.10 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR LAKHMANA TO T HE CABINET
MEMBER FOR EDUCATION AND CHILDRENS’ SERVICES – TO B E ANSWERED
BY COUNCILLOR BURROWS ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS
“Could the Cabinet Member for the LDF or the Cabine t Member for Education and
Children’s Services inform us if the public consultation (Education Facilities: Chapter 4
of the adopted planning obligations SPD) will now be extended, given the fact that this
Section was missing from the website for around a week, w ith the exception of a
cover page?”
Councillor Burrows responded that, when the public consu ltation commenced on
Wednesday 16 June 2010, an on-line document had bee n available and was the
principle means for people to read and lodge their com ments against specific
proposals.
Due to a technical hitch, the PDF version of the revised Chapter 4 of the adopted
planning obligations SPD was not available on the web site until Friday 18 June 2010.
Once identified, this issue was resolved as soon as possible. However, as the PDF
version was not immediately available, officers would accept representations during
the week after the close of the consultation.
There was no supplementary question.
7.9 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR GARG TO THE LE ADER OF
THE COUNCIL – COUNCILLOR PUDDIFOOT
“Now that the Mayor of London has given planning per mission for the development of
the Southall Gas Works site and the Central and South P lanning Committee has
decided to accept that they are not going to get any m ore out of the developers under
planning power, what is the Leader’s position with reg ard to the sale of the land that
will be needed to provide access to the site - will he m aintain his principled opposition
to the scheme because of the adverse impact on Hayes or will he roll over and sell?”
Councillor Puddifoot responded that the Mayor had not yet technically granted
planning permission and would not do that until the S 106 legal agreement was
completed. In answer to the question, a key issue was whe ther Compulsory
Purchase Order powers would be used against the Council . To say that the
implications of a compulsory purchase order were complica ted would be an
understatement.
The Council would get the best possible professional advi ce on the property and legal
issues. This would include the options available to the Council to continue to resist
the Southall Gas Works development proposals. Once such a dvice had been
received, a decision would be made which best served the interests of the residents
of Hillingdon.
There was no supplementary question.
7.3 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR MACDONALD TO T HE
CABINET MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – CO UNCILLOR
BURROWS
“Could the Cabinet Member for Planning and Transport ation please inform us of
exactly how many times they have attempted to contact Ne twork Rail to tackle the
huge problem of pigeon guano under the railway bridge in West Drayton?”
Councillor Burrows advised that, in response to complain ts in 2004/2005, Network
Rail had instigated substantial and effective anti-roo sting measures in 2006 that
remained in place today.
Following further reports concerning pigeon droppings received in 2008, officers
conducted a monitoring exercise between November 2008 a nd March 2009. They
were unable to prove that a nuisance (i.e., significant slip hazard) existed as few birds
were observed roosting on the bridge and any dropping s found were on the edge of
the footway beneath the bridge. Network Rail was pre ssed for a second independent
assessment, which it agreed to fund. This report, dated October 2009, confirmed
there was still no nuisance. Copies of both reports were available on request.
Street Scene Enforcement Officers continued to respond t o all reports received
concerning pigeon droppings under the bridge and regul arly assessed any alleged
nuisance. Street Cleansing operatives also paid particular attention to this location on
a weekly basis.
The Council, with support from Transport for London, was looking at long term
solutions to improve the environment under the bridge and this was one of a number
of issues which would be tackled as part of the on going T own Centre Enhancement
Programme.
Councillor MacDonald, by way of a supplementary questio n, advised that she was in
no way criticising the Council, but asked whether the Cou ncil could put any pressure
on Network Rail to share the cost of the work. Councill or Burrows advised that the
pigeon guano was not considered to be a major problem and that, if it was, the
Council would press for a better solution.
7.7 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR ALLEN TO TH E CABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“Could the Cabinet member for Planning and Transport ation please inform us as to
any problems with the new pay machines for parking arou nd the borough, particularly
for those people visiting from other boroughs?”
Councillor Burrows responded that the machines were gene rally working well and
there were no significant problems. A review of the maintenance records for the
machines showed that, since 1 January 2010, there had bee n an average of 38 faults
per week, which equated to 6 per day. As the Council h ad 194 pay and display
machines in operation across the Borough, this equated to a daily fault rate of 3.2%,
which was considered to be a reasonable level within th e parking industry, especially
as these faults included problems caused by defective coins, etc.
However, the Council would not be complacent about thi s matter and the parking
team was working with the manufacturer to deal with a ny recurring issues to try and
minimise the fault rate in the future.
Councillor Burrows was not aware of any problems relati ng specifically to people
visiting from other boroughs. When the Hillingdon Fi rst scheme was introduced in
June 2009, some people found the dual charging rate in structions a little confusing.
However, officers were working with the public to ensure that they were aware of the
operating arrangements and the queries over the instru ctions quickly reduced as
people became used to the new machines.
Councillor Allen, by way of a supplementary question, asked for confirmation that no
residents from other boroughs had benefited from the r educed parking fees (without
the use of a Hillingdon First Card). Councillor Burr ows advised that questions
specifically relating to the Hillingdon First Card should be directed to Councillor D Mills
as the Cabinet Member for Improvement, Partnerships and Community Safety.
23. MOTIONS (Agenda Item 8)
8.1 MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR MACDONALD
Councillor MacDonald moved the following motion:
“This Council has now had several years experience of the new improved structure of
local government as applied in this Borough. Most empha sis has been given to the
Cabinet, which is now well understood. The Policy overv iew process is not so well
understood. This Council calls for a better balance betw een the Cabinet and the
expertise available within the Policy overview process t o include more in-depth
scrutiny in order to further improve the performance of the Council.”
The motion was seconded by Councillor Garg. Following debate (Councillor
Puddifoot), Councillor Lewis moved an amendment as follows:
Delete the last two sentences and replace with:
“Whilst Cabinet will always seek to consider appropriate proposals to improve
performance in all areas, this Council notes the valuab le contribution made by Policy
Overview Committees through in depth scrutiny of pol icy, which have helped to
deliver the record resident satisfaction and sound finan cial management that are
becoming hallmarks of Hillingdon.”
The amendment was seconded by Councillor Markham.
Following debate (Councillors Corthorne, Major, Harmsw orth, Simmonds, D Mills,
Puddifoot and MacDonald), the amendment was put to th e vote and agreed. The
substantive motion was then put to the vote and agreed.
RESOLVED: That this Council has now had several ye ars experience of the
new improved structure of local government as appli ed in this Borough. Most
emphasis has been given to the Cabinet, which is no w well understood. Whilst
Cabinet will always seek to consider appropriate pr oposals to improve
performance in all areas, this Council notes the va luable contribution made by
Policy Overview Committees through in depth scrutin y of policy, which have
helped to deliver the record resident satisfaction and sound financial
management that are becoming hallmarks of Hillingdon.
8.2 MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS
Councillor Simmonds moved the following motion:
“This Council applauds the Government decision to rule o ut a third runway at
Heathrow Airport, whilst noting that other major tra nsport proposals with possible
serious environmental impacts on the borough are under consideration. Council calls
upon the Government to consult fully with all stakehold ers on any proposal which will
have an impact on the Boroughs' residents.”
The motion was seconded by Councillor Burrows. Following debate (Councillors Brar,
Gilham, Benson, Harmsworth, MacDonald and Puddifoot), and on being put to the
vote, the motion was agreed.
RESOLVED: That this Council applauds the Governmen t decision to rule out a
third runway at Heathrow Airport, whilst noting tha t other major transport
proposals with possible serious environmental impac ts on the borough are
under consideration. Council calls upon the Government to consult fully with all
stakeholders on any proposal which will have an imp act on the Boroughs'
residents.
PUBLIC QUESTIONS - WRITTEN RESPONSES
The meeting, which commenced at 7.30 pm, closed at 9.05 pm.
These are the minutes of the above meeting. For more information on any of the
resolutions please contact Lloyd White, Head of Democratic Services on 01895
556743. Circulation of these minutes is to Councillors, Officers, the Press and
Members of the Public.
Council Meeting – 1 July 2010
5.2 QUESTION FROM STEVE PINK ON BEHALF OF NORTHWOOD HILLS RESIDENTS
SUPPORT TEAM (RST) ON PARKING, TO THE CABINET MEMBE R FOR PLANNING AND
TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
I attended the Council meeting in July 2008 at which the petition from 465 residents of
Northwood Hills was presented asking for parking controls to deter all-day commuter parking. At
that meeting, I made the point that Tolcarne Drive sh ould be a special case for consideration in
view of particular safety considerations caused by the co mbination of the Harlyn junior school
and the Driving Test Centre both situated here.
Following that meeting and consideration of the petit ion, Council agreed to consult and a
consultation exercise was carried out eventually 7 months later, in February 2009. It covered
the roads around Northwood Hills station with a consult ation of residents and a separate but
simultaneous consultation of the shopkeepers in Joel St i n respect of a “Stop & Shop” parking
control scheme.
The shopkeepers gave a majority in favour of parking ma nagement, for primarily commercial
reasons obviously as they believe commuter parking deter s potential customers who want to
park to come in to their shops. So the ‘Stop & Shop’ p arking management scheme has been
approved by Council as a priority for Northwood Hills and is now to be implemented. In that
same consultation exercise, however, Tolcarne Drive reside nts also gave a majority in favour of
parking management AND have followed that up with a formal request for parking management,
primarily for road safety (not commercial) consideration s, yet this request (sent in August 2009
and followed up in February 2010) has not had any re sponse from the Council or from any of
our local Ward Councillors who we would hope would support any such remedial action.
We are aware that individual roads have been, and ar e being, given parking management
schemes all across the Borough. Tolcarne Drive clearly has sa fety issues different from other
roads in this area because of the combination of the junior school AND the driving test centre.
We would hope that the Council can take action for this road and will at least respond to the
major concerns raised by residents?
5.3 QUESTION FROM JOHN STONE OF TOLCARNE DRIVE TO THE C ABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
As a very long-term resident of Northwood Hills, havin g lived here for 40 years, I have written
many times to the Council over the years asking for some action to stop commuter parking
along our road Tolcarne Drive. Nothing has been done yet but I hope there will be some action
following our residents group’s campaign.
On many occasions, these regular commuters park in a way th at goes over my dropped kerb
and stops me getting my car easily out of my drive. You r traffic wardens do a good job when I
phone them and they come and put tickets on the cars. But those cars are parked all day for the
station, so it doesn’t help me getting in and out my drive during the day as the drivers don’t
come back till early evening to go home. I know this af fects other houses near me and that
other people also have to contact your traffic wardens to get cars ticketed. Can you please take
a look and let me know how many tickets are issued here ea ch year compared with previous
years?
In the past two years I have noticed a big increase in the cars parking here every day and it now
goes all the way up and beyond the junction with Har lyn Drive. That makes things more
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- WRITTEN RESPONSES
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dangerous for all of us but especially for the people going to and from Harlyn School. We see
and hear many near-misses as cars and motorbikes swerve to g et round each other when there
is almost no room to pass, so we hope the Council appreci ates the real safety concerns going
on here.
I hope the Council is going to recognise what the reside nts are asking for and put something in
here that will make a difference and improve safety. I was pleased that the Council did
eventually do a consultation in 2009 and we know that in this road there was a majority vote
wanting some parking management scheme.
Response to both:
Councillor Burrows thanked both residents for their quest ions. As public questions 5.2 and 5.3
raise broadly the same issues, Councillor Burrows answered them together.
Councillor Burrows knew that parking in Northwood Hills had long been a concern to many
residents, and indeed the Council always aimed to work closely with the community to try to
tackle the problems with a solution that gained the majority support.
Councillor Burrows was pleased that residents had a positi ve experience of their ability to
register their dropped kerbs for enforcement against inco nsiderate parking. However,
Councillor Burrows realised that this might only be a partial solution for these residents and their
neighbours. With regard to the number parking tickets i ssued in Tolcarne Drive in 2008/09, it
was noted that 53 tickets had been issued. In 2009/10, 67 tickets had been issued.
One of the dilemmas faced by the Council was that any parking management scheme which set
out to tackle only part of a problem would almost inev itably end up causing problems for
neighbouring roads - parking problems would simply move from one place to another. For
obvious reasons, while the Council wanted to achieve the best overall position for all residents,
it would be self-defeating if, by curing the problem for one group of people, the Council made
life worse for their neighbours – furthermore, commute rs were adept at finding new places to
park. It was therefore very rare that the Council wou ld introduce a parking management
scheme in just one road. On many occasions, Councillor Bu rrows had considered petitions
from residents living at the edge of a scheme that did not want to be part of a parking
management scheme. Frequently, the very same group of petitioners came back to another
Petition Hearing because they had felt the impact and had changed their minds. Clearly it was
best to try to get a consensus from the outset, but this is not always possible.
The Council had consulted in the roads around Northwoo d Hills station before and, each time
this had been done, there was no clear supported mandate to proceed to an agreed scheme. In
fact, the petition presented by ex-Councillor Mr Davi d Bishop would have had a parking
management scheme covering everywhere from Northwood Hills and beyond.
Councillor Burrows realised that there were particular pressures in Tolcarne Drive – the obvious
ones were commuter parking, the school run traffic and t he driving test centre. To that end,
Councillor Burrows, the Northwood Hills Ward Members an d Council officers in the parking
design team were continuing to work closely to find a sol ution that would tackle the problems
faced by residents without the spectre of creating fresh problems in other roads where, to date,
there had not been such strong support for a parking management scheme.
Councillor Burrows advised that he and the Council took these concerns very seriously, and he
urged the questioner to speak to his Ward Councillors and work with them to try to find a
solution that satisfies the majority.
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COUNCIL
1 July 2010
Meeting held at Council Chamber - Civic Centre, High
Street, Uxbridge UB8 1UW
Councillor David Yarrow (Mayor)
Councillor Mary O'Connor (Deputy Mayor)
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Councillors: David Allam
Lynne Allen
Tim Barker
Richard Barnes
Josephine Barrett
David Benson
Jonathan Bianco
Sukhpa Brar
Wayne Bridges
Mike Bull
Keith Burrows
George Cooper
Judith Cooper
Philip Corthorne
Brian Crowe
Peter Curling
Catherine Dann
Jazz Dhillon
Beulah East
Neil Fyfe
Sid Garg
Roshan Ghei
Dominic Gilham
Raymond Graham
Paul Harmsworth
Shirley Harper-O'Neill
John Hensley
Patricia Jackson
Phoday Jarjussey
Sandra Jenkins
Alan Kauffman
Peter Kemp
Mo Khursheed
Kuldeep Lakhmana
Richard Lewis
Anita MacDonald
John Major
Michael Markham
Carol Melvin
Douglas Mills
Richard Mills
John Morgan
Susan O'Brien
David Payne
Ray Puddifoot
Andrew Retter
John Riley
David Routledge
Robin Sansarpuri
Scott Seaman-Digby
David Simmonds
Brian Stead
Michael White
OFICERS PRESENT: Hugh Dunnachie, Fran Beasley, Christopher Neale, Chris
Spencer, Jean Palmer, Brian Doughty, Raj Alagh, Lloyd White, Mark Braddock,
Morgan Einon and Nikki Stubbs
PRAYERS
Prayers were said by Reverend Andrew Sheard.
16. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE (Agenda Item 1)
Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Ba ker, Bliss, Buttivant,
Duncan, Gardner, Higgins, Kelly, Lavery, Nelson and Sandhu.
17. MINUTES (Agenda Item 2)
RESOLVED: That the minutes of the meetings held on 25 February 2010 and 13
May 2010 be agreed as correct records.
18. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST (Agenda Item 3)
A briefing note regarding Declarations of Interest ha d been circulated to all Members.
Public Document Pack
19. MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS (Agenda Item 4)
It was with sadness that the Mayor informed Members of the recent death of Mr
Norman Dann who had acted as Councillor Dann’s escort whe n she was Mayor of
Hillingdon in 2001/2002 and 2007/2008. All present stood for a minute’s silence in his
memory.
The Council was advised that, in the six weeks that Counci llor Yarrow had been
Mayor, he had attended 82 events. 73 of these events were within the Borough with
the remaining 9 being outside of Hillingdon.
The Mayor announced that the launch of his charities (H illingdon Autistic Care and
Support and Hillingdon Food Bank) would take place in Committee Room 6 at 7.30pm
on Monday 19 July 2010. All Councillors were welcome to attend.
20. PUBLIC QUESTION TIME (Agenda Item 5)
5.1 QUESTION FROM TONY ELLIS TO THE CABINET MEMBE R FOR
IMPROVEMENT, PARTNERSHIPS AND COMMUNITY SAFETY – CO UNCILLOR D
MILLS
“In view of the London Borough of Harrow's successful im plementation of a Local
Panel under the provisions of the Sustainable Communities Act, when does Hillingdon
intend to fulfil its obligations of implementing the Act and form a Local Panel?”
Councillor D Mills responded that the Council was well a ware of the provisions of the
Sustainable Communities Act and had considered the matte r in response to a public
question at the Council meeting on 3 July 2009. In Ma rch 2009, Cabinet agreed that
Council should be asked to resolve to use the Sustainabl e Communities Act 2007
when there were proposals for a revised pattern of pub lic spending in Hillingdon with
demonstrable benefits to local residents or businesses, o r which would assist with
implementation of the Council Plan or the Sustainable Community Strategy.
Hillingdon remained ready to use the Sustainable Comm unities Act’s provisions once
proposals, which would benefit Hillingdon residents, had been identified.
Councillor D Mills stressed that there was no process for ‘si gning up’ to the Act, as
such, and that ‘opting in’ to the Act meant submitting such a proposal. It did not offer
a way of obtaining funding for specific projects. Nor d id it provide a guarantee that
any proposal would be taken forward.
The previous Government had invited proposals for diff erent ways of allocating
existing central, local or other public expenditure in ways which would help deliver
local priorities. The process of selecting proposals for con sideration by the
Government was co-ordinated by the Local Government Ass ociation. Shortly before
the General Election, the former Communities Minister gave a partial response to 17
out of the 199 proposals submitted. However, the resp onse stopped short of
implementing any of the proposals that had been submi tted using the Act's
procedures. Councillor D Mills suggested that the recent announcement by the new
Government to prevent ‘garden-grabbing’ was a cause taken up using the Sustainable
Communities Act, which had long been Conservative policy.
The Council did not propose to spend money setting up any new consultative panels.
Instead the Council would continue its already successful e ngagement with local
residents and communities, primarily through its incredib ly successful Street
Champions and Streets Ahead initiatives. These had the advantage of involving the
views of a wider number of residents than just those acti ve in any local group. Work
was now underway with Council officers, residents and pa rtners to strengthen the
work of the Street Champions and Streets Ahead initia tives and to look at the linkage
with the Chrysalis fund and the Safer Neighbourhoods Street Panels.
Moreover, this approach was in line with the consultati on procedure laid down in the
Sustainable Communities Act, which allowed councils to bui ld on existing
engagement mechanisms rather than establishing new ones.
The Council continued to welcome any suggestions or propo sals for consideration
which might be implemented under the terms of the Act or in other ways for the
benefit of local residents and communities.
5.2 QUESTION FROM STEVE PINK ON BEHALF OF NORTHWOOD HILLS
RESIDENTS SUPPORT TEAM (RST) ON PARKING, TO THE CAB INET MEMBER
FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“I attended the Council meeting in July 2008 at which the petition from 465 residents
of Northwood Hills was presented asking for parking contro ls to deter all-day
commuter parking. At that meeting, I made the point t hat Tolcarne Drive should be a
special case for consideration in view of particular safety considerations caused by
the combination of the Harlyn junior school and the Dr iving Test Centre both situated
here.
Following that meeting and consideration of the petit ion, Council agreed to consult
and a consultation exercise was carried out eventually 7 months later, in February
2009. It covered the roads around Northwood Hills stati on with a consultation of
residents and a separate but simultaneous consultation of the shopkeepers in Joel St
in respect of a “Stop & Shop” parking control scheme.
The shopkeepers gave a majority in favour of parking m anagement, for primarily
commercial reasons obviously as they believe commuter par king deters potential
customers who want to park to come in to their shops. So t he ‘Stop & Shop’ parking
management scheme has been approved by Council as a pri ority for Northwood Hills
and is now to be implemented. In that same consultation exercise, however, Tolcarne
Drive residents also gave a majority in favour of parki ng management AND have
followed that up with a formal request for parking ma nagement, primarily for road
safety (not commercial) considerations, yet this request (se nt in August 2009 and
followed up in February 2010) has not had any response from the Council or from any
of our local Ward Councillors who we would hope would support any such remedial
action.
We are aware that individual roads have been, and ar e being, given parking
management schemes all across the Borough. Tolcarne Drive clearly has safety
issues different from other roads in this area because of the combination of the junior
school AND the driving test centre.
We would hope that the Council can take action for thi s road and will at least respond
to the major concerns raised by residents?”
In the absence of the questioner, the Mayor put the q uestion on his behalf and
Councillor Burrows advised that a written response would be provided.
5.3 QUESTION FROM JOHN STONE OF TOLCARNE DRIVE TO T HE CABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“As a very long-term resident of Northwood Hills, havi ng lived here for 40 years, I
have written many times to the Council over the years asking for some action to stop
commuter parking along our road Tolcarne Drive. Nothin g has been done yet but I
hope there will be some action following our residents group’s campaign.
On many occasions, these regular commuters park in a way th at goes over my
dropped kerb and stops me getting my car easily out of my drive. Your traffic wardens
do a good job when I phone them and they come and pu t tickets on the cars. But
those cars are parked all day for the station, so it doe sn’t help me getting in and out
my drive during the day as the drivers don’t come ba ck till early evening to go home. I
know this affects other houses near me and that other p eople also have to contact
your traffic wardens to get cars ticketed. Can you please take a look and let me know
how many tickets are issued here each year compared with previous years?
In the past two years I have noticed a big increase in the cars parking here every day
and it now goes all the way up and beyond the junction with Harlyn Drive. That makes
things more dangerous for all of us but especially for t he people going to and from
Harlyn School. We see and hear many near-misses as cars and motorbikes swerve to
get round each other when there is almost no room to p ass, so we hope the Council
appreciates the real safety concerns going on here.
I hope the Council is going to recognise what the reside nts are asking for and put
something in here that will make a difference and impr ove safety. I was pleased that
the Council did eventually do a consultation in 2009 a nd we know that in this road
there was a majority vote wanting some parking management scheme.”
In the absence of the questioner, the Mayor put the q uestion on his behalf and
Councillor Burrows advised that a written response would be provided.
21. REPORT OF THE HEAD OF DEMOCRATIC SERVICES (Agenda Item 6)
(i) ESTABLISHMENT OF A PENSIONS COMMITTEE, INVEST MENT STRATEGY
SUB-COMMITTEE
Councillor G Cooper moved the recommendation as set out on the Order of Business.
This was seconded by Councillor Corthorne. Following d ebate (Councillor
Harmsworth), the motion was put to the vote and agreed.
RESOLVED: That a Pensions Committee, Investment Str ategy Sub-Committee
be established with the Membership, Terms of Refere nce and delegated
authority as set out in Appendix A of the report.
(ii) MEMBERSHIP OF COMMITTEES 2010/11
Councillor G Cooper moved the recommendation as set out on the Order of Business.
This was seconded by Councillor Markham. On being put to the vote, the motion was
agreed.
RESOLVED: That:
a. subject to the approval of i) above, three Membe rs be appointed to the
Investment Strategy Sub-Committee (2 Conservative a nd one Labour –
Councillors Corthorne, Markham and Harmsworth) and that the sub-
committee be asked to appoint the Chairman and Vice Chairman;
b. Councillor Gardner be appointed as Vice Chairman of the Hillingdon
Domestic Violence Action Forum; and
c. Councillor Curling be appointed as the Labour Gr oup substitute for the
Audit Committee, replacing Councillor Harmsworth.
(iii) APPOINTMENT OF CHAMPIONS 2010/11
In accordance with Part 2, Article 4 of the Constitutio n the Council may, upon the
recommendation of the Leader, appoint Champions for b etter representation of
particular groups or issues both within the Council and community and agree their
terms of reference.
Councillor Puddifoot moved the recommendation as set o ut on the Order of Business.
This was seconded by Councillor Simmonds. Following deba te (Councillor Major),
the motion was put to the vote and agreed.
RESOLVED: That:
a. Councillor Major be re-appointed as Champion for Carers;
b. Councillor Kemp be re-appointed as Champion for Disabled People &
Equalities; and
c. Councillor Routledge be re-appointed as Champion for Heritage and Built
Environment.
22. MEMBERS' QUESTIONS (Agenda Item 7)
7.1 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR O’BRIEN TO THE CAB INET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“Following the recent announcements made by our new G overnment regarding
garden grabbing can the Cabinet Member advise what do es this mean in practice for
us as a planning authority?”
Councillor Burrows responded that, on 9 June 2010, the Government published a
revised planning policy statement (Planning Policy Sta tement 3: Housing (PPS3)
which introduced two key changes:
1. It amended the definition of previously developed land to exclude private
residential gardens. This meant that garden land no l onger had an automatic
presumption for development or redevelopment and coun cils could therefore
refuse inappropriate development on private residential gardens; and
2. It deleted the reference to the national indicativ e minimum density of 30
dwellings per hectare. This meant that, whilst there remained a commitment to
"efficient" use of land, there was more flexibility on what density was
considered appropriate within the local area. Greater priority could therefore
be given to matters such as maintaining and improving the character of the
local area.
Together, these changes meant that Hillingdon should be able to receive support from
the Planning Inspectorate at appeal following any de cision to refuse planning
permission for applications which it considered unacceptabl e because it would result
in overdevelopment and/or harm the character of the local area. This new policy had
been implemented immediately because the Planning In spectorate issued new
practice guidance on 9 June 2010 to Planning Inspectors w ho were administering
planning appeals that were currently underway.
This new policy guidance could also be taken into account by the Council in preparing
its development plans. The Council’s draft Core Strat egy, which was now out for
public consultation until the end of July, included a po licy (Policy BE1) which had a
presumption against development of gardens where this w ould erode the character
and biodiversity of suburban areas. The Council was lo oking to expand on this policy
within the draft Development Management DPD, which was in preparation.
There was no supplementary question.
7.2 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR CURLING TO THE LEADER OF
THE COUNCIL – COUNCILLOR PUDDIFOOT
“Now that the election is over and we have a Liberal Democrat, Conservative
Coalition Government, can the Leader of the Council p lease update us with the
current position of Hillingdon’s Building Schools for the 21st century programme?”
Councillor Puddifoot advised that Councillor Simmonds h ad met with the Civil Servant
in charge of the overall national Building Schools for the Future (BSF) programme on
19 April 2010 and was advised that the then Labour Government had planned a cut of
£18bn in the overall funding, from £40bn to £22bn. This would have affected both
primary and secondary schools, whose capital allocations wer e being concentrated
with Partnerships for Schools (PfS). Hillingdon's share of funding was, according to
PfS, based on assumptions about the next Comprehensive S pending Review which
had not yet been undertaken and was contained within a notional base budget line in
the Treasury - none of which was in any way guarantee d until the CSR was
completed. The bureaucratic process demanded by the for mer Labour government
imposed huge costs for consultants long before a single brick was laid. This
information reinforced the Council’s view that it woul d be wise to await confirmation
that the money existed before committing much more mon ey to the process and
therefore the £¾m proposed for consultants’ fees over a six month period was not
deemed cost effective when the scheme might not have survived the general election.
However, in March 2010, the Council had carried forwa rd £746k to be used in the
event that the scheme did survive.
On 15 June 2010, Nick Gibb MP had stated that BSF was a flagship of the Labour
Government and that many schools needed to be rebuilt or improved to meets the
needs of an increasing population. However, Mr Gibb b elieved that the BSF process
had been wasteful. In the seven years since the program me had been announced,
fewer than 75 schools had been built. It was anticipate d that more information would
be forthcoming over the next few months but it was be lieved that the BSF scheme
was now defunct and would therefore save the Council a significant amount of money.
Councillor Curling, by way of a supplementary questio n, asked whether the Leader
regretted that the BSF deal had not been signed befo re the election given the urgent
need to expand primary schools (and secondary schools later ). Councillor Puddifoot
stated that it was not something he regretted as there had been no guarantee of any
funding being available. He advised that the need t o expand and improve schools
needed to be addressed but that the Council would add ress the matter in a more
efficient manner.
7.5 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR EAST TO THE CABINET
MEMBER FOR CULTURE, SPORT AND LEISURE – TO BE ANSWE RED BY
COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR HIGGINS
“Could the Cabinet Member for Culture, Sport and Le isure please inform us as to how
residents without cars and/or with buggies and wheelchai rs, are going to make the
journey to Hayes or Uxbridge Leisure Centres, now that Yiewsley pool is to be
closed?”
Councillor Simmonds noted that the two brand new mode rn facilities at Uxbridge and
Botwell would benefit and improve accessibility of spor t and leisure facilities for the
vast majority of Hillingdon's residents, particularly a s they were both well located in
terms of access to public transport. He appreciated the co ncerns of those residents
who lived within walking distance of the Yiewsley Pool as they would have to travel by
car or public transport to Hayes or Uxbridge once the Po ol closed. For those who did
not have access to a car, there were low floor bus services available (i.e., the U1 to
Uxbridge Leisure Centre and the U5 and 350 to Hayes). Officers were liaising with
Transport for London to see whether any improvements to these bus services could
be justified to make access easier for Yiewsley residents.
The Hillingdon Sport and Leisure Centre was a brand n ew facility which did
not replace any existing Pool. It therefore provided a range of sport and leisure uses
to residents in the Uxbridge/Hillingdon area who prev iously would have had to travel
to Hayes or Highgrove Pool to enjoy access to swimming fa cilities. In addition, this
new facility had far more accessible parking for the over 65's and disabled customers.
The new facility at Botwell included a range of other community facilities apart from
the Pool and would be more attractive to most resident s, including families. These
facilities included a library, sports hall, health and f itness areas, specialist gymnastic
facility and an artificial pitch.
In comparison with the Yiewsley pool, both the new fa cilities were DDA compliant and
included many features that would make access easier to th e buildings, such as
electric doors, low level access, ramps, hoists, push plates and modern changing
rooms, lockers and reception areas.
Councillor East, by way of a supplementary question, aske d why the Local
Development Framework consultation CL1 document had sta ted that the Council
would locate new leisure facilities in town centres. Councillor Simmonds believed that
this was what the Council had achieved.
7.6 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR HARMSWORTH T O THE
CABINET MEMBER FOR CULTURE, SPORT AND LEISURE – TO BE ANSWERED
BY COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR HIGGINS
“Could the Cabinet Member for Culture, Sport and Le isure let me know whether the
existing level of access will be given to the local school s at either Uxbridge and/or
Botwell Green Leisure Centres as was available at Yiews ley Pool and will the Council
subsidise the schools transport costs?”
Councillor Simmonds responded that the Council had alr eady worked with three
Primary schools – two of whom had now moved from Yiewsl ey Pool and were
enjoying using the new swimming pool at Hillingdon S port and Leisure Complex. The
third school would commence its new term’s programme in September.
The Council was currently in contact with the two remain ing Primary schools using
Yiewsley Pool to provide time at either Botwell Gree n Sports and Leisure Centre or
Hillingdon Sports and Leisure Complex depending on which they preferred.
By way of a supplementary question, Councillor Harmsworth asked for more details of
whether the Council would subsidise the school transport costs. Councillor
Simmonds advised that individual schools would need to m ake their case to the
Schools Forum which would then make a decision as to whe ther to provide funding
for this purpose. It was noted that this was not an issue that fell within the remit of the
Council.
7.8 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR DHILLON TO THE CABINET
MEMBER FOR EDUCATION AND CHILDRENS’ SERVICES – COUN CILLOR
SIMMONDS
“Can the Cabinet Member for Education and Children’s services inform us as to when
the Head Teachers, Chairs of Governors and other stakeho lders were informed about
the planned massive increase in school places, planned for 2012/13?”
Councillor Dhillon, when asked for clarification, advise d that the “other stakeholders”
he referred to in his question related to parents. Councillor Simmonds responded that
the principal reason for the forecast increase in demand for places in 2012/13 was the
very high number of births in 2008 (11.5% above forecast). Initial information became
available in June 2009 but the geographical distributi on of births was only received in
October 2009.
A briefing on future primary place needs was given to the Primary Forum Executive by
the Council’s Director of Education and Children’s Serv ices in December 2009. This
set out the total forecast need (19 forms of entry) and the need for school expansions
and new provision. In the same month, information on the forecast need for additional
primary school places was included in the annual Schools F unding Consultation
document. The target audience for this consultation incl uded a wide range of
stakeholders, including head teachers, governing bodies, teachers’ professional
associations, early years providers and the Schools Forum.
In February 2010, a letter was sent to all head teach ers and chairmen of governing
bodies outlining the number of forms of entry that would be required and the proposed
approach to meeting this need. Discussions with the local diocesan boards had also
taken place. In addition, school place needs had been di scussed by the Admissions
Forum (which included stakeholder representatives). Most recently (21 June 2010),
primary school place needs were discussed with head teachers at the Director’s
termly briefing.
In relation to specific proposals, over the spring term 2010, officers met with the
governing bodies of individual schools proposed for inclu sion in the first phase of
expansions.
Councillor Dhillon, by way of a supplementary questio n, asked whether the Council
had published information before or after an article had been published in the
Gazette. Councillor Simmonds advised that he was unawa re of the date of the
Gazette article referred to but had set out the timescales within his response.
7.4 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR JARJUSSEY TO T HE CABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“The report on the Planning application for Phase 3 o f the Stockley Park development
was pulled from the agenda for the Central and South Planning Committee on 30
March 2010 following receipt of a letter from the Mem ber of Parliament for Hayes and
Harlington and the Friends of Lake Farm asking about t he whereabouts of £1M that
was supposed to have been used for local environmental i mprovements under
agreements for earlier phases of the scheme. Can the Cabinet Member say when the
report will be re-submitted to the Committee?”
Councillor Burrows responded that he was surprised to rece ive this question as the
determination of planning applications was not a Cabin et function, but dealt with
through the Area Planning Committee's. The question concerned a live planning
application and, as such, Councillor Burrows could not fet ter officers or the
Committee's determination by commenting on the detail in the question. However,
Councillor Burrows had spoken to the Chairman of the C entral and South Planning
Committee who had informed him that the report woul d be considered by the
Committee on 13 July 2010.
Councillor Jarjussey started to ask a supplementary questio n which concerned details
of the planning application and the Mayor ruled that , for the reasons outlined by
Councillor Burrows, this was not a valid question as the planning application was still
live.
7.10 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR LAKHMANA TO T HE CABINET
MEMBER FOR EDUCATION AND CHILDRENS’ SERVICES – TO B E ANSWERED
BY COUNCILLOR BURROWS ON BEHALF OF COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS
“Could the Cabinet Member for the LDF or the Cabine t Member for Education and
Children’s Services inform us if the public consultation (Education Facilities: Chapter 4
of the adopted planning obligations SPD) will now be extended, given the fact that this
Section was missing from the website for around a week, w ith the exception of a
cover page?”
Councillor Burrows responded that, when the public consu ltation commenced on
Wednesday 16 June 2010, an on-line document had bee n available and was the
principle means for people to read and lodge their com ments against specific
proposals.
Due to a technical hitch, the PDF version of the revised Chapter 4 of the adopted
planning obligations SPD was not available on the web site until Friday 18 June 2010.
Once identified, this issue was resolved as soon as possible. However, as the PDF
version was not immediately available, officers would accept representations during
the week after the close of the consultation.
There was no supplementary question.
7.9 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR GARG TO THE LE ADER OF
THE COUNCIL – COUNCILLOR PUDDIFOOT
“Now that the Mayor of London has given planning per mission for the development of
the Southall Gas Works site and the Central and South P lanning Committee has
decided to accept that they are not going to get any m ore out of the developers under
planning power, what is the Leader’s position with reg ard to the sale of the land that
will be needed to provide access to the site - will he m aintain his principled opposition
to the scheme because of the adverse impact on Hayes or will he roll over and sell?”
Councillor Puddifoot responded that the Mayor had not yet technically granted
planning permission and would not do that until the S 106 legal agreement was
completed. In answer to the question, a key issue was whe ther Compulsory
Purchase Order powers would be used against the Council . To say that the
implications of a compulsory purchase order were complica ted would be an
understatement.
The Council would get the best possible professional advi ce on the property and legal
issues. This would include the options available to the Council to continue to resist
the Southall Gas Works development proposals. Once such a dvice had been
received, a decision would be made which best served the interests of the residents
of Hillingdon.
There was no supplementary question.
7.3 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR MACDONALD TO T HE
CABINET MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – CO UNCILLOR
BURROWS
“Could the Cabinet Member for Planning and Transport ation please inform us of
exactly how many times they have attempted to contact Ne twork Rail to tackle the
huge problem of pigeon guano under the railway bridge in West Drayton?”
Councillor Burrows advised that, in response to complain ts in 2004/2005, Network
Rail had instigated substantial and effective anti-roo sting measures in 2006 that
remained in place today.
Following further reports concerning pigeon droppings received in 2008, officers
conducted a monitoring exercise between November 2008 a nd March 2009. They
were unable to prove that a nuisance (i.e., significant slip hazard) existed as few birds
were observed roosting on the bridge and any dropping s found were on the edge of
the footway beneath the bridge. Network Rail was pre ssed for a second independent
assessment, which it agreed to fund. This report, dated October 2009, confirmed
there was still no nuisance. Copies of both reports were available on request.
Street Scene Enforcement Officers continued to respond t o all reports received
concerning pigeon droppings under the bridge and regul arly assessed any alleged
nuisance. Street Cleansing operatives also paid particular attention to this location on
a weekly basis.
The Council, with support from Transport for London, was looking at long term
solutions to improve the environment under the bridge and this was one of a number
of issues which would be tackled as part of the on going T own Centre Enhancement
Programme.
Councillor MacDonald, by way of a supplementary questio n, advised that she was in
no way criticising the Council, but asked whether the Cou ncil could put any pressure
on Network Rail to share the cost of the work. Councill or Burrows advised that the
pigeon guano was not considered to be a major problem and that, if it was, the
Council would press for a better solution.
7.7 QUESTION SUBMITTED BY COUNCILLOR ALLEN TO TH E CABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
“Could the Cabinet member for Planning and Transport ation please inform us as to
any problems with the new pay machines for parking arou nd the borough, particularly
for those people visiting from other boroughs?”
Councillor Burrows responded that the machines were gene rally working well and
there were no significant problems. A review of the maintenance records for the
machines showed that, since 1 January 2010, there had bee n an average of 38 faults
per week, which equated to 6 per day. As the Council h ad 194 pay and display
machines in operation across the Borough, this equated to a daily fault rate of 3.2%,
which was considered to be a reasonable level within th e parking industry, especially
as these faults included problems caused by defective coins, etc.
However, the Council would not be complacent about thi s matter and the parking
team was working with the manufacturer to deal with a ny recurring issues to try and
minimise the fault rate in the future.
Councillor Burrows was not aware of any problems relati ng specifically to people
visiting from other boroughs. When the Hillingdon Fi rst scheme was introduced in
June 2009, some people found the dual charging rate in structions a little confusing.
However, officers were working with the public to ensure that they were aware of the
operating arrangements and the queries over the instru ctions quickly reduced as
people became used to the new machines.
Councillor Allen, by way of a supplementary question, asked for confirmation that no
residents from other boroughs had benefited from the r educed parking fees (without
the use of a Hillingdon First Card). Councillor Burr ows advised that questions
specifically relating to the Hillingdon First Card should be directed to Councillor D Mills
as the Cabinet Member for Improvement, Partnerships and Community Safety.
23. MOTIONS (Agenda Item 8)
8.1 MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR MACDONALD
Councillor MacDonald moved the following motion:
“This Council has now had several years experience of the new improved structure of
local government as applied in this Borough. Most empha sis has been given to the
Cabinet, which is now well understood. The Policy overv iew process is not so well
understood. This Council calls for a better balance betw een the Cabinet and the
expertise available within the Policy overview process t o include more in-depth
scrutiny in order to further improve the performance of the Council.”
The motion was seconded by Councillor Garg. Following debate (Councillor
Puddifoot), Councillor Lewis moved an amendment as follows:
Delete the last two sentences and replace with:
“Whilst Cabinet will always seek to consider appropriate proposals to improve
performance in all areas, this Council notes the valuab le contribution made by Policy
Overview Committees through in depth scrutiny of pol icy, which have helped to
deliver the record resident satisfaction and sound finan cial management that are
becoming hallmarks of Hillingdon.”
The amendment was seconded by Councillor Markham.
Following debate (Councillors Corthorne, Major, Harmsw orth, Simmonds, D Mills,
Puddifoot and MacDonald), the amendment was put to th e vote and agreed. The
substantive motion was then put to the vote and agreed.
RESOLVED: That this Council has now had several ye ars experience of the
new improved structure of local government as appli ed in this Borough. Most
emphasis has been given to the Cabinet, which is no w well understood. Whilst
Cabinet will always seek to consider appropriate pr oposals to improve
performance in all areas, this Council notes the va luable contribution made by
Policy Overview Committees through in depth scrutin y of policy, which have
helped to deliver the record resident satisfaction and sound financial
management that are becoming hallmarks of Hillingdon.
8.2 MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR SIMMONDS
Councillor Simmonds moved the following motion:
“This Council applauds the Government decision to rule o ut a third runway at
Heathrow Airport, whilst noting that other major tra nsport proposals with possible
serious environmental impacts on the borough are under consideration. Council calls
upon the Government to consult fully with all stakehold ers on any proposal which will
have an impact on the Boroughs' residents.”
The motion was seconded by Councillor Burrows. Following debate (Councillors Brar,
Gilham, Benson, Harmsworth, MacDonald and Puddifoot), and on being put to the
vote, the motion was agreed.
RESOLVED: That this Council applauds the Governmen t decision to rule out a
third runway at Heathrow Airport, whilst noting tha t other major transport
proposals with possible serious environmental impac ts on the borough are
under consideration. Council calls upon the Government to consult fully with all
stakeholders on any proposal which will have an imp act on the Boroughs'
residents.
PUBLIC QUESTIONS - WRITTEN RESPONSES
The meeting, which commenced at 7.30 pm, closed at 9.05 pm.
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5.2 QUESTION FROM STEVE PINK ON BEHALF OF NORTHWOOD HILLS RESIDENTS
SUPPORT TEAM (RST) ON PARKING, TO THE CABINET MEMBE R FOR PLANNING AND
TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
I attended the Council meeting in July 2008 at which the petition from 465 residents of
Northwood Hills was presented asking for parking controls to deter all-day commuter parking. At
that meeting, I made the point that Tolcarne Drive sh ould be a special case for consideration in
view of particular safety considerations caused by the co mbination of the Harlyn junior school
and the Driving Test Centre both situated here.
Following that meeting and consideration of the petit ion, Council agreed to consult and a
consultation exercise was carried out eventually 7 months later, in February 2009. It covered
the roads around Northwood Hills station with a consult ation of residents and a separate but
simultaneous consultation of the shopkeepers in Joel St i n respect of a “Stop & Shop” parking
control scheme.
The shopkeepers gave a majority in favour of parking ma nagement, for primarily commercial
reasons obviously as they believe commuter parking deter s potential customers who want to
park to come in to their shops. So the ‘Stop & Shop’ p arking management scheme has been
approved by Council as a priority for Northwood Hills and is now to be implemented. In that
same consultation exercise, however, Tolcarne Drive reside nts also gave a majority in favour of
parking management AND have followed that up with a formal request for parking management,
primarily for road safety (not commercial) consideration s, yet this request (sent in August 2009
and followed up in February 2010) has not had any re sponse from the Council or from any of
our local Ward Councillors who we would hope would support any such remedial action.
We are aware that individual roads have been, and ar e being, given parking management
schemes all across the Borough. Tolcarne Drive clearly has sa fety issues different from other
roads in this area because of the combination of the junior school AND the driving test centre.
We would hope that the Council can take action for this road and will at least respond to the
major concerns raised by residents?
5.3 QUESTION FROM JOHN STONE OF TOLCARNE DRIVE TO THE C ABINET
MEMBER FOR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION – COUNCILLOR BURROWS
As a very long-term resident of Northwood Hills, havin g lived here for 40 years, I have written
many times to the Council over the years asking for some action to stop commuter parking
along our road Tolcarne Drive. Nothing has been done yet but I hope there will be some action
following our residents group’s campaign.
On many occasions, these regular commuters park in a way th at goes over my dropped kerb
and stops me getting my car easily out of my drive. You r traffic wardens do a good job when I
phone them and they come and put tickets on the cars. But those cars are parked all day for the
station, so it doesn’t help me getting in and out my drive during the day as the drivers don’t
come back till early evening to go home. I know this af fects other houses near me and that
other people also have to contact your traffic wardens to get cars ticketed. Can you please take
a look and let me know how many tickets are issued here ea ch year compared with previous
years?
In the past two years I have noticed a big increase in the cars parking here every day and it now
goes all the way up and beyond the junction with Har lyn Drive. That makes things more
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dangerous for all of us but especially for the people going to and from Harlyn School. We see
and hear many near-misses as cars and motorbikes swerve to g et round each other when there
is almost no room to pass, so we hope the Council appreci ates the real safety concerns going
on here.
I hope the Council is going to recognise what the reside nts are asking for and put something in
here that will make a difference and improve safety. I was pleased that the Council did
eventually do a consultation in 2009 and we know that in this road there was a majority vote
wanting some parking management scheme.
Response to both:
Councillor Burrows thanked both residents for their quest ions. As public questions 5.2 and 5.3
raise broadly the same issues, Councillor Burrows answered them together.
Councillor Burrows knew that parking in Northwood Hills had long been a concern to many
residents, and indeed the Council always aimed to work closely with the community to try to
tackle the problems with a solution that gained the majority support.
Councillor Burrows was pleased that residents had a positi ve experience of their ability to
register their dropped kerbs for enforcement against inco nsiderate parking. However,
Councillor Burrows realised that this might only be a partial solution for these residents and their
neighbours. With regard to the number parking tickets i ssued in Tolcarne Drive in 2008/09, it
was noted that 53 tickets had been issued. In 2009/10, 67 tickets had been issued.
One of the dilemmas faced by the Council was that any parking management scheme which set
out to tackle only part of a problem would almost inev itably end up causing problems for
neighbouring roads - parking problems would simply move from one place to another. For
obvious reasons, while the Council wanted to achieve the best overall position for all residents,
it would be self-defeating if, by curing the problem for one group of people, the Council made
life worse for their neighbours – furthermore, commute rs were adept at finding new places to
park. It was therefore very rare that the Council wou ld introduce a parking management
scheme in just one road. On many occasions, Councillor Bu rrows had considered petitions
from residents living at the edge of a scheme that did not want to be part of a parking
management scheme. Frequently, the very same group of petitioners came back to another
Petition Hearing because they had felt the impact and had changed their minds. Clearly it was
best to try to get a consensus from the outset, but this is not always possible.
The Council had consulted in the roads around Northwoo d Hills station before and, each time
this had been done, there was no clear supported mandate to proceed to an agreed scheme. In
fact, the petition presented by ex-Councillor Mr Davi d Bishop would have had a parking
management scheme covering everywhere from Northwood Hills and beyond.
Councillor Burrows realised that there were particular pressures in Tolcarne Drive – the obvious
ones were commuter parking, the school run traffic and t he driving test centre. To that end,
Councillor Burrows, the Northwood Hills Ward Members an d Council officers in the parking
design team were continuing to work closely to find a sol ution that would tackle the problems
faced by residents without the spectre of creating fresh problems in other roads where, to date,
there had not been such strong support for a parking management scheme.
Councillor Burrows advised that he and the Council took these concerns very seriously, and he
urged the questioner to speak to his Ward Councillors and work with them to try to find a
solution that satisfies the majority.
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